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submale
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sea john - an intellectual reduced to a.... blow job.
I have enjoyed your posts and accept your concerns. I am a sub - and the vast majority of male customers at Demonia and BarBar are subs - but I have never seen a Thai girl do anything against her will at these places. I hope that eases your concerns to some extent. I also think the risk of injury is far greater at some conventional bars - you know herpes for Christmas, hep A,B,C for new year and Aids for life. As a rule, we bdsm enthusiasts practise safe sex.
I think one important point to note is that the girls themselves choose to be either Mistress (S), sub (M) or switch. That is the first safeguard - a girl will not go into the sub life if she has no knowledge of what it is about. The second safeguards are limits in sessions (clearly specified before the whole thing begins). The third safe guard is the bar itself. BarBar and Demonia are unique places in that most guys get a chance to play before takeaway. No TG in these bars will go with a dickhe@d because the wages are high and a new customer is always a moment away. Anyway, i'm a tragic sub and all the women (S or M) flock to me becuase I am a decent human being. And guess what, most dominant blokes are also decent.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:25 am on Dec. 21, 2007
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thailien
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Seajohn,
Sorry, as an American I do tend to blame Bu$h (George W.) for a lot that has gone wrong with my country and the world. I only mentioned him because this sad issue of waterboarding as torture or not torture has been in the news lately. I was trying to draw a contrast between real torture, mostly practiced in war, with the pleasures derived by both Dom and sub from their play.
I don't want to titillate too much on this (somewhat) family-oriented forum; but why not try a torture test on yourself? Take a clothespin off your clothesline, and stick it on yourself, wherever you wish. I suggest on your butt. Leave it there for a little while. Are you being tortured?
Spank yourself on your ass, yeah pretty hard, several times. Are you in serious pain, or is it starting to feel good?
Light a candle and drip some hot wax on your skin. Is this enough to make you confess more than name, rank, and serial number?
Clothespins, spankings, and candle wax are standard ways to stimulate both Dom and sub at Demonia.
Or if you are lucky enough to have a woman whose big breasts used to turn you on, before she had kids and got old, and her tits sagged.... Just wrap a rope around her sagging tits, one at a time preferably, and see the magical erotic transformation for yourself.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:44 am on Dec. 21, 2007
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don5252
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''the picture you (i) paint sounds rosier to anyone who hasn't been,'' now how in the f..k are you able to come up with that? your able to speak for the rest of the populous? one post your asking people's experiences, the next your telling everybody this & a unrelated rant that has nothing to do with what is trying to be discussed here, if you aren't going to at least try getting some first hand information or contribute something useful get off this topic, you don't seem to have any problem with dropping your pants in the middle of a certain speciality bar & splattering a load all over a girls face in public, nothing humiliating about that, right? of course not, where you hang out perverted acts are consenual, but not here?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:29 am on Dec. 21, 2007
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Mel Gibson
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don5252 QUOTE"i don't beleive i've ever 'tortured' any girl".
That makes meassume you havenever dated a gal
Come on guys,,,this ain't getting anyone,anywhere.
Best alternative...... agree to disagree?
Mel.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:24 am on Dec. 21, 2007
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don5252
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Good one Mel, I was going to bring up your spelling but that's aussie slang for haven't ever, right? anyway I'm outta here, got to get busy on a list of torture technics to try out in non consensual relationships on my up coming trip
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 12:10 pm on Dec. 21, 2007
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Mel Gibson
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IT'S my keyboard,,,,,,,,honest!!!! I asked Santafora newone,,,,but I see a 6 burner stainless steel BBQ out the back that MAY just be mine,,,,The Crayfish and Prawns will be extra nice this year
Mel
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:24 pm on Dec. 21, 2007
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seajohn
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Quote: from submale on 12:40 am on Dec. 22, 2007
an intellectual reduced to a.... blow job.
Not reduced. Promoted! I love blow jobs!... Hey, submale, thanks a lot for your answer. As I posted in the beginning, outside of going in and trying it myself, I am looking for information and answers. Thank you for taking my concern seriously, and helping to fill out my understanding.
So if I can proceed a bit. Do you find then, that the girls who work there are really prepared to get into a "sub-life" as you call it? I recognize that, as you mention, very few perform this role there (since, as you say, most of the customers are sumissive), but are the girls who take the jobs there really looking for that kind of life, if you see what I mean? Even if it's a "dom-life". I would think that they get jobs there just like girls get jobs in any other bar--for money and because their cousin works there. Am I totally incorrect in this, or is there a factor I'm missing?
Good point about the safe sex.
In return for your courtesy, I would like to mention that I do accept that I may be using incorrect terminology occasionally that has unfortunately offended, and I do not wish to do so--even though unfortunately my terminology simply reflects an inexperienced "layman", if you will. I do consider it important that I widen my understanding. Because just as I may have superficial ideas about other places, many people have them about things I enjoy.
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don5252 wrote:
''the picture you (i) paint sounds rosier to anyone who hasn't been,'' now how in the f..k are you able to come up with that? your able to speak for the rest of the populous? one post your asking people's experiences, the next your telling everybody this & a unrelated rant that has nothing to do with what is trying to be discussed here, if you aren't going to at least try getting some first hand information or contribute something useful get off this topic, you don't seem to have any problem with dropping your pants in the middle of a certain speciality bar & splattering a load all over a girls face in public, nothing humiliating about that, right? of course not, where you hang out perverted acts are consenual, but not here?"
don5252, perverted acts? I think you have misconstrued my comment about your previous, informative and helpful post. When I say that you paint a rosier picture, I am not in any way being sarcastic. I meant that as praise, because the post that you made at 17.16 on Dec 21 did in fact bring out the kind of experiences that I can relate to: a compassionate interaction. By the same token that is how I have described getting blow jobs in blow job bars. And I too have received criticism for it. That is why I say "rosier to anyone who hasn't been". Because there are many who haven't been who criticize and have impressions which I would consider inaccurate and presumptuous about my pastimes, just as others do about yours. We are both well aware of that. I thought I was relating to you.
And that, whilst apologizing as I go along for any incorrect impressions I may ignorantly have expressed and may again express, is why I continue to ask the things I do. Since one guy can't know thoroughly all the experiences possible in Bangkok, I am grateful to members who give thoughtful and encouraging answers to those of us who may not know about some venue or other, and are left with the most superficial of ideas.
I also think your misunderstanding of my intentionally grateful post may have angered you into confusing my message to thailien... That's OK, I don't mind about that, because he understood me perfectly.
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thalien,
Thanks for your explanation. That was very kind of you to offer it (about the political comments we both made), because I consider (as I mentioned) my comments sort of loose-cannoned, so to speak. I am American, too, by the way.
In fact, I do believe that the reason I was frustrated into making that somewhat harassed explosion was because of some stored up experience earlier that day. I wonder if that effect is something clients of Demonia could relate to.
I had been suffering from a strange feeling stomach all week. It was not the run-of-the-mill food poisoning etc that so many complain about, and which I know inside and out, and actually haven't had for many a year. No, the symptoms of painful stomach distension due to a huge build up of gas were new to me. This was accompanied by intense burning, which I am a little more used to. As well as diarrhea.
Finally, yesterday, after some days of eating Ranitidine to help with the burning, I had to go to the doctor. This was a very invasive visit.
First of all, the doctor had a pompous attitude. His collar was very high and emerged from his white jacket in the same fashion as they did at the time of Byron. I could see the jaded boredom in his face as he asked questions in a strict order and allowed no deviation from them. Then he ordered me up on a table and felt my stomach. Probing me here and there and asking if it hurt. My stomach was still swollen, so it did hurt.
Then he told me to roll over on my side and slip down (the Thai word he used) my pants and underwear. I knew what was coming. But I did not expect it with the minimal amount of lubrication he applied. I struggled to make no sound that would embarrass me. I grasped at the past advice I had given many a lady: "Relax, breathe deeply, just relax..." I tried, with the instinct of immediate desperation, to relax just as he made his deepest search and muttering, "Nothing here, hmmm, nothing there." Before I could properly put into effect my tactic, he yanked his hand away and I involuntarily let out a too loud, relieved sigh.
The results came back negative for everything, and it was explained to me that I had either contracted a temporary 7 day virus, or was just suffering from an extra bad case of heartburn. I was given pills for the symptoms. Still, I felt compelled to walk differently upon leaving, and I wonder if that somehow came out in my persecuted post. I think the psychologists call this "transference." I often wonder if there is some of that process involved in the Bondage or S&M practices. What do you guys think? I do think it happens with most sexuality anyway.
By the way, thailien, I should also thank you for your suggestions for some homemade painful titillation experiments. I don't know if I will try them. I usually find just the duty of wearing clothing everyday, walking with purpose on errands, using money, controlling my boners in public, controlling my bladder in public for that matter, etc, all obstacles enough, if you see what I mean. But some interesting suggestions there. I see your point.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:40 am on Dec. 22, 2007
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don5252
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the point I was trying to drive home was that there's probably the same level of 'consensuality' among any of the girls who work the sex trade & there are risks involved whatever the venue, you know the workings of BKK as well as anybody, no doubt better than me, i'm not a resident, (yet) I stick by my suggestion you take a look first hand at least once, I think you might be surprised how much fun it could be, excuse a little bit of 'attitude' from the previous post, had nothing to do w/anybody else, always better try to keep a objective view
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:58 am on Dec. 22, 2007
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Buttman 007
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I really don't understand what all the difference is about.
What is the moral/ethical difference between paying a girl for BDSM activities in a controlled setting, and paying a girl for sex in your hotel room?
In my opinion, none.
In both situations, it's an agreed upon, consensual sexual transaction between adults. If, on the other hand, a girl's boundaries are crossed, then all arguments for abuse are credible, and the guy should have his nuts removed. That goes for any sex-for-money venue--BDSM, go-go or otherwise.
To argue that BDSM-for-money is abuse or "torture" is utterly ridiculous, and shows nothing more than narrow-minded ignorance. Don't think for a second that bar-fining a girl half your age in some go-go club, taking her back to your hotel room and having a night of "debauchery" with her, puts you on any higher ground than someone walking into Demonia or BarBar.
If you truly think it's abuse, then why don't you go there and rescue these girls from this apparent torture, rather than chatting about it on an internet forum?
Whether it's Demonia, Eden, SOL, or a Nana go-go, it's all just sexual gratification for money. There is no higher ground. There is no lower ground. It's all the same. Agreed upon activities for an agreed upon sum of money.
I think it's laughable to imply that one's sexual proclivities are morally or ethically better than another's. ESPECIALLY when we all operate under the umbrella of prostitution.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 3:24 am on Dec. 22, 2007
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seajohn
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Quote: from don5252 on 6:13 pm on Dec. 22, 2007
the point I was trying to drive home was that there's probably the same level of 'consensuality' among any of the girls who work the sex trade & there are risks involved whatever the venue
Yes, that's a good point. It's been discussed extensively in another thread (SOL), but is still interesting as it reflects the various venues. I think Butman007's post above reflects this point as well. But it's not that I would argue which is more ethical, I would not want to do start to do that and I hope I haven't given that impression... That would get lost... Just to question each one as arises. And why not? Where else in my life do I get the chance to converse with people who go to all these different kinds of places? Who knows?
I think this issue of consensus... looked at in a way, it could never cease to interest men, in whatever circumstances. Its axis is 2 issues:
a) compassion for them in their job in its most heinously routine forms.
b) desire for them to enjoy it, and evidence of that.
Some interesting perspectives have come to light here. Your suggestion, don5252, that one simply try it is probably valid, though I can't say that I will take you up on it. I hope that doesn't eradicate the meaning from my concerns and queries about the place or the pastime. Thanks again for the contributions.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:56 am on Dec. 22, 2007
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