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Vikingblood
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DG
Are you a noble man just because you pick up girls from bars/gogos or freelancers instead of going to a club like Eden.
Donít you think that these girls are just as desperate as the girls in Eden. If not they would not be in this business.
If you really care about the girls there are many nice and noble things you can do.
You can start your new life with never buying a prostitute again. In one year you may come back and start moralising.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:52 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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X
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Iím going off on a tangent hereÖ Ýbut like VikingBlood just pointed out to DG
"You can start your new life with never buying a prostitute again. In one year you may come back and start moralising."
Why do people in here do this continually????? ÝWhy do the pots keep calling the kettles black???? Ý
In this instance itís DG knocking people who use Edenís as heartless remorseless bastards who have no respect for women ñ while he has himself has expressed many things I would consider totally immoralÖ the last time it was some guy who reckons BGís can consent to oral and straight sex but not to anal sexÖ and thereís tons of other examples of this flawed logic to find on the forum. ÝWhy is it that some people in here canít get it through their heads that Thai women working in the P4P are either fit to give informed consent or they are not ñ there is no middle ground!
Itís so stupid to say ìwell where I buy my sex is fine & dandy & moral, but where he buys his is immoral because the women canít consentî.
(I am talking about the farang sector here)
If anyone doubts that any of these women arenít capable of giving informed consent to do their jobs then that person really shouldnít be using the farang-oriented P4P in LOS scene at all!
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:09 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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11bravo
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DG:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but why do you keep hitting on Eden: if it bothers you so much, then forget about it and move on, don't keep bringing it up, this way and that. First it was theft, then "long term effect", then money split. Everybody knows you don't like Eden - OK, your opinion. You're proven a liar on one track, so you take another; for what purpose?
It's a job - I'm sure Marc gives a job interview, with job description and salary. No girl is shanghaied there, or kept in bondage. If it's a good place to work, the girl will stay, if not, she'll move on. If enough customers like, the club will stay in business; if not, it won't. Free market economy.
If you are really that bothered about "long term effect" or money split, then why don't you do something constructive: take the money you spend on entertainment, and give it to a charity that promotes girls staying in school, getting an education, so there are other alternatives to P4P.
Or, if you don't want to spend the cash, why not rescue the girls truly held in captivity, certainly up-country, and I'd bet also in BKK itself. However, unlike Marc, who answers criticism with intelligence, I'm sure those people would answer with M-16's.
Oh, and the stream of consciousness writing wears thin quickly
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:14 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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dirty guru
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Look x, i never sent photos to the internet, infact it was you that convinced me that i was wrong to consider using my video phone, and believe it or not (pm mickey) i told him i locked it up to keep faith with my conscience..I am not good, sure i struggled to be faithful in thailand to my wife and failed....but she respected that i at least tried and was discreet....I stayed in 5 star hotels and spoilt her rotten...But back to my point....After visiting eden again , then listerning to a few sad stories about the girls....I only decided personally that it wasnt for me. Look its bigger than ben hur.if you like everything done imaginable.,, i have had times there that still haunt me. But when you deviate with an ordinary girl(say look i want to f_ck that incrediable ass of yours)..it costs ...alot more than the 1000baht they get there ....And if your nice everyone is happy.... But the stories i really did hear are of girls very mixed up and hurting, as it isnt a special job that attracts a special rate, its a constant piss on arse f_ck, next please scence......I didnt find jesus ..and ducksnuts is half right saying i am low....but i have taken the first step by saying when i (me not you) go to thailand, if i have my way (outside of marriage it will be with a pretty thing ..that gets a few thousand baht) same as 3200 eden fee for the whole dirty guru treatment.....at least its not part of a continued daily on going abuse.....You know the only thing i regretted doing was f_cking some sad eden girls arse, and looking in her eyes, and knowing it was going to be a hard day for her, that day and the next.......etc.....Why not be a real guy and stop the abuse with yourself? thats what i thought, so i did, especially after the stories (from ex workers)...Look go there and see what i am talking about if you dont believe me, but i dont tempt the almighty, i have sin already without edens.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 9:15 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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dirty guru
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marc have i ever lied?...(up to you) or will we call it a mistake and truce?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:21 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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X
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DG... Ý I REALLY am very very glad the sneaky "phone photo" thing wasn't lost on you. ÝIt means all my longwinded posts on the subject weren't completely in vein.;)
But you also have to understand that you can't go around doing this "she is fit to consent but she isn't" thing. ÝThe women in the p4p scene are either consenting adults with their own minds and their own ability to consent or they are not. ÝThere isn't this middle ground of where you go is fine, where he goes is bad. Ý
It's already been said 100 times in this thread alone, so I'll keep it brief... the Eden women aren't FORCED anymore than a freelancer or gogo girl to do what they do.
I can think of many reasons why many women would prefer working in an Eden type setup as opposed to elsewhere... safety being just one of those reasons.
If Eden just isn't your thing, that is also fine... it's not fine when you go around calling people who do frequent the place remorseless Ýpigs who don't dislike women. ÝThat's unfair, inaccurate and illogical!
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:28 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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dirty guru
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ok, but its just a small thing ......maybe not giving a junkie money, ...a self abuser a means to hurt themselfs,.....not parttaking in a self destruction........bye the way this wont harm marcs club, it was my opinion only....... people will sadly read the hoop la and 5 % turn up there!....
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:36 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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Tsonoqua
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DG:
If you truly want to be a better person, you might try not lying to yourself as a starter. ÝFrom your postings before your arrival in Thailand it was very clear that you were planning to be "unfaithful" to your wife while you were still in Australia.
X is right - there is no grey area, philisophically about P4P - either the Thai women can give informed consent, or they can't. ÝThe venue (whoops, big word, means location) doesn't matter.
I'm glad that you've decided to cheat on your wife only with better looking women, although according to some members of the forum, that will be a problem in Pattaya.
At least you have now given married members on this board a plan to make themselves feel better over their infidelities. ÝTake their wives to Thailand with them, lodge them in 5 star hotels, spoil them rotten, be discreet and if caught, tell them that they struggled against their baser impulses but were weak.
Another thing you could be honest about is your dislike of the Eden Club. It comes through loud and clear in your posts.
By the way, thanks for the photos.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:38 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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edenpapa
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Quote: from dirty guru on 9:21 pm on Aug. 4, 2003
marc have i ever lied?...(up to you) or will we call it a mistake and truce?
i did post yesterday at 10.37pm :
>>let's make it very clear that i am REALLY NOT interested in any kind of fight or challenge with YOU >>
just live your life
narc
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:38 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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X
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DG -- no doubt there was be self-destructive women in every corner of the P4P scene in every country in the world. But thatís a whole different topic. You must surely realize that an Eden girl has the same brains, common sense and ability to give informed consent on sexual matters as the freelancer/MP/gogo girl you went with last week. To even suggest otherwise is patronizing in the extreme. (as well as illogical)
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:44 am on Aug. 4, 2003
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